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    War Hero ???


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    War Hero ???

    Post  Psycho144 on Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:31 pm

    Had him for one training flight at NAS Meridian when I was student.   He was attached to the Ground 
    School but came down to the Squadron and flew to keep current .   His best buddy was Capt. Mat Bomis (USMC), who I became friends with at Continental Airlines.  Fogs

    [ltr]I've not been able to determine who among all the Erik Simien's listed in Google this one is. From his stated EWO title I believe he was a "Back-Seater" in an Navy F-4 Phantom. However, I might be mistaken.
    I rec'd this from a fellow Air Force Recruiter with whom I was stationed 2 or 3 times during our careers. 
    Whether or not all of this is factual remains to be seen.  The Youtube sites contain video which is quite negative for John McCain though.

    Here is a piece I had not seen....the other one had bits and pieces but this is pretty detailed as to McCain not being the "hero" he was portrayed~

    Erik Simien  "I am a former Navy Airborne Electronic Warfare Officer and a 100% Disabled Vietnam Vet. I am only sorry he lived as long as he did.

    A “war hero” doesn’t finish 894th out of 899 and still get stationed at a Navy champagne unit and promoted ahead of all but two of his 898 other classmates.

    A “war hero” doesn’t crash three U.S. Navy jets out of sheer incompetence and ineptitude, including two during non-combat training sessions.
    A “war hero” doesn’t get written up on drunk-and-disorderly, fraternization, disobeying orders, and insubordination charges more than two dozen times in less than three years. Any other Naval Aviator would have been out of the service and on the street in short order.
    A "war hero" doesn't make repeated pro-North Vietnam propaganda broadcasts and come out of captivity weighing just a few pounds less than when he went in while other POWs came out having lost 30%-40% of their pre-captivity bodyweight.
    A “war hero” doesn’t get promoted to squadron commander of the air field named after his own grandfather immediately after crashing his third airplane. 

    A “war hero” doesn’t have all the military records that cover his time in Vietnam and all disciplinary actions against him censored and sealed “as a matter of national security.” 
    A “war hero” doesn’t get 28 medals awarded all after-the-fact “for bravery” for no other reason than being shot down and captured and then go on a celebrity public relations tour because he’s the son of two acclaimed Navy admirals. 

    A “war hero” doesn’t repeatedly cheat on the wife who’s back in the states waiting for him, and then cheat on her more when he returns to the states, and then divorce and abandon her.
    A “war hero” doesn’t systematically vote against every single pay and benefit increase for military and veterans throughout his entire political career, all the while claiming to be “the soldier’s Congressman,” and then take credit for the passage of a G.I. Benefits bill he that voted AGAINST. 
     A “war hero” - McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom. McCain’s second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. “Flying too low 
    Over the Iberian Peninsula,” Timberg wrote, “he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”
    McCain’s third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg (Robert Timberg,Marine and journalist who wrote about Vietnam’s scarring legacy) reported that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. 
    McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees. 
    McCain’s fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. 
    For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals. 
    “McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. Representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continues, “that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat.
    I spent ten years flying in the Navy and ended up with nine medals/ribbons including my Vietnam service, which was about normal for officers who didn't have their Admiral father writing commendations for them.
    We called McCain "Songbird" and you will have a hard time finding any Vietnam era Naval Aviator who does not loathe him...and dying doesn't clear the slate."
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    Re: War Hero ???

    Post  sinister_midget on Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:00 pm

    I've heard many of those same claims, plus a couple of more. A few are either new to me or they got lost in the long list of others I remember hearing about from multiple people.

    Some of the things - pay and benefits stuff - I personally remember him voting against or working on a "compromise" with Democrats ("compromise" spelled S-E-L-L-O-U-T) because I was active at the time. I was also somewhat naive and fell for the baloney about it being for the best interest of the troops in the long term. Because, I was told, he was a "war hero" and had the interests of the military at heart.

    One in particular I remember happening that sounded like a screw job. It dealt with retirement. I trusted he wasn't lying to me at the time because I didn't know about all of the stuff he was involved in previously. Now that I'm retired, I see my first impulse, that the McCain position was a lie, was absolutely correct.

    But I remember the GI Bill he fought against and then took credit for. I remember him trying to "compromise" on pay raises, support for injured veterans, support for families separated by war and assignment locations. It might take me awhile to sit down and list them all. But I can remember a few as though they just happened.

    Some of what's been said about him I might not believe except for the fact that I've heard the same thing from several different sources. Some I'm not sure about. But I know personally some of what he was involved in concerning the military after he got into politics. I don't need anybody to tell me his record, I lived it.

    I backed him against Obama. But I would have backed almost anybody against Obama. I backed Romney, too, for pretty much the same reason. But I didn't like the dead one, and I don't care that much more for the living one either.

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